Ep 69. The sound of regret (and how to avoid it)
In this episode, Michelle is joined once again by Jason Ratcliffe, The Wellbeing Surveyor and host of the Heal Your Home podcast.
Together, they explore how noise can affect not just your comfort, but also your property’s value, and what you can do about it before (and after) you buy.
From flight paths and busy roads to noisy neighbours and building design flaws, Michelle and Jason discuss the practical steps you can take to make a home more peaceful, and the warning signs to look out for before you sign on the dotted line.
Here’s what you’ll learn from today’s episode:
The hidden ways noise pollution can creep into your home
Why some properties are harder (or impossible) to soundproof
Simple, budget friendly fixes to reduce unwanted sound
When noise becomes a dealbreaker for buyers, and when it is worth compromising
Why research and multiple inspections are essential before you buy
Speakers in today’s episode:
Michelle May - Michelle May Buyers Agents
Jason Ratcliffe - The Wellbeing Surveyor
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Michelle May
Hi and welcome to another episode of the Buy Your Side Podcast, the property podcast to help you make smarter property buying decisions. My name is Michelle May and I'm still the principal of Michelle May Buyers Agents here in Sydney. Now this lovely gentleman next to me, you may recognise him from previous episodes. This is Jason Ratcliffe, back by popular demand, The Wellbeing Surveyor. Hi Jason, how are you?
Jason Ratcliffe
I'm great, Michelle. Thank you so much for having me back. It's always amazing talking to you on this show.
Michelle May
Well, look, we never stop talking. We have so many things to discuss.
Jason Ratcliffe
We don't, we don’t. I think there's just so much we can talk about and I love it. It's amazing.
Michelle May
And because we find it interesting, we are 100% confident that you, the listener, will pick up a thing or two from Jason's amazing expertise.
Michelle May
So today, we are going to be talking about reducing noise pollution in your home. Making your place a little bit more zen, and if anybody is listening here currently in the Inner West of Sydney in particular, or anywhere under a flight path, you know that the every three minutes disturbance can get a little bit annoying. But hey, it's still prime real estate. It's the coolest part of Sydney to live in, so I can't wait to hear from you, Jason. What can we do to have a little bit less of that noise inside the home? And not just for planes, for anything really.
Jason Ratcliffe
Yeah, absolutely. And that's the number one question, isn't it, really? It doesn't matter if you're next to or below a flight path, or whether you're next to a busy main road or even if you're just next to a school. I think having that quiet serenity in your home is so important.
So I think it really depends on the type of property you're in because there's obviously slightly less you can do if you're in an apartment. We can't then be you know looking at external cladding and all sorts of amazing things like swapping windows out. But what we can do is look at the soft furnishings in your home to make sure that there's enough soft furnishings rather than just hardwood floors, things like that. Things that will absorb sound, which is actually a really, really effective way. It may not seem like it, but actually it does work very well.
And then also you've got smaller things such as insulating curtains, for example, blackout curtains, which also normally double up as soundproofing, which are awesome because you don't have to go through the expense of swapping out your windows, doing all this intrusive, expensive stuff, getting some decent curtains or decent blinds up are really great because then that can block out and a lot of the noise, not all of it.
They're not as effective as obviously doing the more intrusive works, but these are the types of things that you can do if you live in an apartment, for example, or if you've got noisy neighbours upstairs, downstairs, you can have acoustic insulating panels, insulating plasterboards. Again, they're a bit more expensive, but if they are really noisy, it's something that you really want to consider.
But then obviously going into you know the bigger topic, I suppose, if you're in-house and you can do anything you really want with it, what can you do? And there's an awful lot you can do.
So all the way from soft furnishings, but all the way through to double or triple glazing, acoustic performance windows, which have normally got thicker panes of glass and a wider void in the middle to then help with acoustic transfer, sound insulation.
But it's really important if you do go down that route to make sure that you have the right fittings and the right fitments to it because if you get these really lovely, and they are more expensive, acoustic insulated windows and then they're installed like regular windows, that sound transmittance will just bypass the window and you just think, why I doing this?
Michelle May
What do you mean? So they need a special fitting?
Jason Ratcliffe
Yeah, so it's to do with sound absorbing foams, for example, sealants to make sure that it's appropriately acoustic insulated, because if you end up with the wrong ones or you just get normal fitments, they can just invalidate the acoustic performance of those. It's almost like looking at the same principle of heat escape. If you think of it like if you've got a nice double glazed window, but you haven't got the right insulation around it and the components, then that heat energy is just going to escape around the window.
It’s the same principle with sound. So sound will then just go through and it be absorbed and transfer through the fittings of the window and trickle vents as well are something that are really important because it's one of those things where we battle natural airflow and noise pollution because as you can imagine, oh well I've got triple vents, amazing, I open windows, okay, but what does that mean?
Well it means you're then exposed to the noise of outside. So if you're right under a flight path or right next to a busy school or road, and then you open your windows, that noise will just transfer directly into your home.
So it's then saying, okay, well, do I then put a good mechanical ventilation system in my home, which is HEPA approved, so it means that it's a bit more of an optimal unit which can then actually start filtering out a lot of those pollutants.
So then, okay, you're counteracting the fact you're trying to make your property more airtight because then you're making sure that it's more sort of acoustically or noise preventing from outside.
So it's that balance of going, great, I can airtight my house, I can get some really good acoustic double glazing in or triple glazing, but actually, well okay, natural ventilation is then going to suffer. So then you need to figure out, well, we need a way to actually complement that in a different way.
It's really important. These things aren't just an isolated improvement. Anything you do to your home will affect other areas, normally airflow and the quality of living, because it's all very well having a nice, snug, quiet house. But if you can't breathe in it, and then all of a sudden you get a mould infestation, it defeats the object of doing any of the work in the first place.
Michelle May
Sounds like a bit of a problem, yeah.
Jason Ratcliffe
That's kind of passive house type issues as well, where, you know, you're looking at air tightness and reliance on mechanical airflow systems, things like that.And people then don't necessarily maintain them properly. But again, that's a whole different topic.
Michelle May
Well, I mean, it's a little bit like, completely off topic, but it is kind of related. You know, how many people get sick after they've been on a long haul flight? Because I used to be a trolley dolly, as they call it here in Australia. I used to be a flight attendant for British Airways and a purser.
So I did this for 12 years and I was kind of immune. Like my system was built like you know, a ton of bricks. But normally, a lot of people tell me like once they've been on a long haul flight, like they pick up some kind of infection. And you can't tell me that that's not to do with all these bits that are circulating around you for, you know, 8 to 12 hours.
Jason Ratcliffe
Oh, it is 100%. And that's exactly the same, but more of a concentrated example of a house. So if you've got a mechanical ventilation heat recovery system, or air conditioning, anything that's forcing that airflow through the property, if you're not if you don't have the right one, you don't have a HEPA or activated carbon filters, things that can help really filter out those bacteria, viruses, things like that, as well as the obvious pollutants that we all know and you know want to try and get rid of in our homes, then if somebody's got a cold or if there is just some kind of bacteria, it is and has been known to be a spreader around the whole house. So isolating somebody into a room if you've got a poor mechanical ventilation system in your home doesn't do what it used to do because it will just spread through the whole house and everyone will get it.
So, making sure you pick the right one and you maintain the filters, you swap them out, you get it serviced when needed but actually doubling up on that is pretty relevant because noise pollution is not just an external factor it's also internal. So if you have things like a boiler if you have extractor fans that are noisy or poorly installed. If you have mechanical ventilation systems that are needing repair and they start rattling and making lots of noise, all of these things can cause issues in a home.
And also if you've got, which is a really common one, if you have issues with fire breaks in your home, what can happen is that sound can then transfer through the materials and the fabric of the building.
So if somebody, for example, is playing music in one room, it can be heard quite easily downstairs, for example, or foot traffic from above. So if you're walking across the floor and it can then be heard as if you're in the same room. And it's these types of things where people, builders, cut corners, and it is unfortunately the same in Sydney as it is in the UK, as it is in a lot of places where people then just go, oh, we don't need that. It's not necessarily vital for the building control sign off. So we'll just leave it out. We don't need it.
Michelle May
Quick question. What's a fire break? Did you say fire break?
Jason Ratcliffe
Sorry, I should have gone into that. So if a fire breaks out in your home, say it breaks out in your kitchen, what you need to prevent is that fire spreading at a rapid rate through your home. So there'll be delays within any kind of building quality control. There'll be specific delays, whether it's 30 minutes, 60 minutes, 90 minutes, whatever it may be, to prevent that or delay that fire from entering from the kitchen to the stairwell, for example.
So then the idea is you can then safely, the fire alarms, smoke alarms will alert you, and then you can safely exit the building before that fire spreads.
So when you're looking at different components of the building, they will interjoin. So you might have floor joists that go into the wall. You might have ceilings that are fixed directly into the above floor joists, for example. You might have all sorts of areas. You might have windows that are then connected to the inside and outside of the cavity. You might have, if it's over two floors, so three, four, five floor buildings, if you're in a coach house, townhouse, whatever it may be, you've then got multiple floors which then fire can travel potentially through and especially through things like cavities and stuff.
So fire breaks and barriers are those, basically what it says on the tin really, it's a barrier and a break so it stops those components connecting with each other and then it reduces the risk of that fire then spreading quickly through those areas, such as service vents and things like that, going through the property. So it's super important because even if you have fire doors and everything else, if there is a way for that fire to spread, then it will do. It will find that and then you may end up in a situation where there is no exit from the building because this fire has found its way through your home. So that's why it's really important.
But then on that as well, you're looking at things called ignition points. So you don't actually need a naked flame contact with a material for it to set fire. So ignition points are the point in which a material or a temperature that it will set fire. So if there is a flame downstairs, for example, that's going through the floor, it may set fire to the carpet without actually having a naked flame exposed to that carpet. So it's important to make sure that you're managing those thermal breaks as well and those fire breaks. So, yeah, that basically is what a fire break and fire barrier does and what it should do.
But the issue with it is, say you have a lift, for example, in your home or you're in you're in a hotel or whatever it may be. Then you've got breaches in the fire barriers and breaks whereby there's a floor joist that's going through to another element of the building where it shouldn't do. Then that sound will transfer through set timbers or joists and then enter into the room.
So that's why you can potentially hear it from one place to another a lot easier than you should do because those haven't been implemented. So it's super important to make sure that they are in place.
Michelle May
So here in Australia, if you live in an apartment building, you have to have a yearly fire safety statement, which has a report every year to say your building is safe, it's up to code, etc.
And in New South Wales in particular, there's councils are going through every building, every apartment building, checking if they're up to code and if they're not they can get what they call a Fire Order placed on them and that can run into many hundreds of thousands of dollars to improve doors and stairwells and even the exits from the exhaust from the shower, looking at things like asbestos and all those kinds of pollutants.
But as far as I'm aware, like when you buy a new house, obviously you need to be up to code, but if you buy an old Victorian terrace, I mean, nobody's gonna go and check if your house is actually fire safe, right? Unless you do a renovation, I guess they have to sign off on that, because you get the occupation certificate.
But if you live in an unrenovated old house, it could be well behind the times when it comes to things like that, not just fire, but also the soundproofing of that. So you bring up a really interesting point that the fire breaks can actually connect to the sound that's traveling through your home.
Jason Ratcliffe
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in Victorian places and generally historic, so we're talking anything pre-1910 or 1905. Yeah, these things are, I suppose, a balance because you've got amazing character. They're there for a reason. They're a part of our history and they can be beautiful places to live, but also then completely bulldozing them and putting all these safety precautions in place. It's probably not the best way forward. So it's that kind of harmonious balance between historic preservation and safety.
So to make sure that you have enough time or escapes out of the property rather than for prevention, I think, as long as you're safe, so if you can't necessarily put fire breaks and barriers all the way down the stairwell if you've got a beautiful open Victorian staircase, then having fire escapes, for example, on the top floors where you can exit the building may be the option.
But we have that all the time with listed buildings as well, because you've got listed building preservation on one side, but then you also have building control on the other to make sure that it's fixed. So it's that battle between the two.
But then you've got things so solid so solid walls, for example, is a really great example about sound transmission.
So If you've got, for example, a plane in the sky, through the solid walls, because it's transferring through the air, they will absorb that sound. It's very good at absorbing that sound. However, that depends on the thickness, obviously, but normally if you've got something that's a good solid 280mm plus solid wall, that's normally a good sign. So the transmission normally comes either through the roof, through the windows, through the doors, that sort of stuff.
But if you're right next to a road, for example, and you get a vibrational sound, that's when, or your neighbour, for example, has their TV on the wall and it's blasting out, you know, a lot of noise, that transfer through vibration through the wall is the weak point. So having solid solid construction actually doesn't work in your favour in that sense. So it really depends on the type of noise pollution that you're facing. So if you're right next to a road and you have solid walls, it's not going to be as effective as if you have a cavity block construction or a timber frame construction, but then vice versa, they're not going to be as effective if you've got planes and things like that so you know naturally solid constructions are better at that.
Michelle May
But you mentioned you can actually put panels on your walls, like a plasterboard?
Jason Ratcliffe
So you can have insulation back plasterboard which is typically blue, the colour of it, which doubles up as thermal insulation, but also you can have acoustic performance in them as well. There's great benefits to that in the sense that it does exactly that. It seals the property. It's really great at improving thermal efficiency so it reduces your bills. but also it helps with the noise transmission you can get acoustic panelling as well but again it's really important to make sure that they are fixed correctly to the walls because if you then have normal fixings again those vibrations can come through the walls and it wouldn't be as effective so making sure that they're installed correctly is super important but there is limitations to that in the sense that you know a lot of properties, especially Victorian terrace properties, don't have a lot of internal space anyway. So putting dry lining on the walls is just going to not be viable because it's going to just make it smaller. And then therefore, you're going to go, well, it's going to be smaller, it's going to be more cramped. And if I then try and sell the property, it's probably going to be worth less because I've shrunk the already small internal floor area.
Michelle May
And the other thing I was just thinking about, a lot of councils around Australia now have conservation areas because they want to keep the the streetscape the same. You can't just rip down on the Victorian terrace or do whatever you want with the facade. And so a lot of them will have sash windows, if not all. And sash windows, I know that when I had my sash windows reconditioned. I bought an old one that needed TLC and the guys came in, took them out and put the new cords in and all that kind of worked beautifully. And when I inquired about getting more efficient glass, they said, well we can do that but then you can't open your your windows won't stay open anymore because the weight of the glass is going to prevent that from happening so, like you said before it's a compromise isn't it like what you can get away with.
Jason Ratcliffe
It is, but then you can have things like secondary glazing and you could have insulated or acoustic enhanced curtains for example but then the issue is again it's that compromise because those types of things are great but then if it's a nice sunny day and you want natural light coming in well you're not going to. So it is that compromise. But again, you could have the heavier glass and there could be some kind of safety catches potentially retrospectively installed, which could work in reverse. So you could actually then hold it in place and have a catch to keep it up.
But then yes, having that heavier glass in place, if you're opening the window, like we mentioned earlier, you're going to completely reduce or eradicate any kind of noise insulating performance.
So it's that balance of saying, okay, well, what can I do in this property? And there's a lot of things like acoustic panelling, for example, outside the property, you can do things like water features. They're fantastic to break up the sound and plants and the landscape, making sure that it's at varying different levels, making sure you're dense foliage if you've got solid concrete or or masonry walls pretty decent timber fencing you can actually get acoustic enhanced timber fencing as well, so it's all of these things that can work together that you know not one thing is a one one size fits all solution but when you're looking at smaller courtyards and things like that because then you can open your back doors for example and then you can have the sound of the birds, the nature, the waterfalls, the rubbing together of bamboo, for example, they all cancel out the noise of planes and things.
They don't completely eradicate it. You're not exactly going to end up suddenly feeling like you're in a field in the middle of nowhere, but it does enough to help reduce that so it becomes a tolerable noise rather than something that is going to affect your health.
Michelle May
And that's one of the things that as a buyer's agent, we send our client reports as to the frequency and the height and the decibels and stuff on the flight path, if they're under a flight path, or maybe potentially even between two.
Because yay, Sydney, we have flight paths everywhere. But that's the one thing I don't advise on. So I have very strong opinions about a lot of things in property. That's my job. For example, I would never buy what I call a yellow road. I would never buy a property on a yellow road. So if you look at Google Maps, I'm not sure if you're familiar with this, Jason, this expression, you know, don't eat yellow snow, right? Do not buy on yellow roads. You'll never forget that again. That's one of the things that I say. People always laugh, but you should never buy on a yellow road because those are the roads that have higher amounts of traffic, usually buses, trucks, you know, all through the night, etc.
Speeding, slowing down, and you have the noise, but you also have the pollution. And in terms of capital growth for a property for the long term, those are the types of properties that will do great in a hot market, but will drop in value the most in a down market.
And you'll see the interest of buyers drop off quite significantly when there's a plethora of other properties on the market. So they're not a good investment. So, I would say stay away from those roads to begin with.
But like, if there is an exceptional need for you to be in a particular location, and that's the only thing you can afford, well, that's your decision right, that's that's your choice to make but know that the consequence will be a financial risk for the long run.
Noise is also such a subjective thing. But what I can live with, like I clearly live on a flight path. If you've ever listened to this podcast, do you hear the plane? That's my choice because the inner rest gives me everything else that I'm looking for. The schooling that my kids needed to go to, you know, the community, all that kind of stuff. And so I put up with the flight path.
But there's others that would literally not sleep a wink if they lived where I live. So that's such a subjective thing, right? And as the location where I'm in is so close to the city, has all the amenities, has the public transport, the schooling, it's now no longer suffering from a lag in property prices anymore because people just put up with it.
Yet I still get clients who go, no, absolutely not. And I completely respect that. But yeah, so it's funny. Noise is a very subjective thing, but it's great that you've got so many options to sort of alleviate it if you like, somewhat. And because we haven't touched on insulation yet in roofs. What can you do in your roofs?
Jason Ratcliffe
That's a great question. I mean, insulating your roof voids. So mineral wool, rock wool, sheep's wool, if you have it available, things like that to a 300mm plus depth is really important. Making sure it's completely covered. If you've got ventilation in your roof, making sure that it is uncovered, it's unblocked, but also it needs to be mitigated. So making sure that it's not then causing noise to enter into the property itself. So making sure that your placement of that insulation is properly thought through.
Michelle May
Are you talking about whirlybirds? That's what we call them here.
Jason Ratcliffe
Whirlybirds. What's a whirlybird?
Michelle May
It's an Australianism, I think, probably. It's when you have your roof and then they put a little pipe up and then on top of it will have a little vent that moves so the hot air can come out and cool air can come in.
Jason Ratcliffe
Oh, OK. I see where you mean.
Michelle May
Yeah.
Michelle May
What do you call it in the UK?
Jason Ratcliffe
Well, we don't really have them. We have ridge vents and soffit vents, which aren't actually moving, but they seem like they would work a lot better.
So as long as you have that dense insulation along your ceiling joists, I think that... which is then you don't have any areas which are exposed is so important because you want to keep your your roof ventilated that's super important but obviously then ventilating means you know air pollution noise pollution because it's still from the outside so then having that barrier between that and the below ceiling is is really important but then you could then look at things like external cladding, for example, which can then have noise cancelling, insulation, performance.
So it's really great for that if you want to be changing. So if you're fully renovating a property and it allows, then you can change the whole aesthetic of the outside of your home really easily with some really great glass reinforced concrete, GRP, plastics, all sorts of stuff that can replicate wood in really nice deep grains.
You can have loads of colours of it. It’s called rain screen cladding that you put on the outside, but then you can then have acoustic performance enhancements as well, which can then really help.
So you can have that along with the windows, the triple glazing, acoustic panel glazing with all the the right sealant, the insulation in your roof void, but also if you've got timber suspended floors like a lot of Victorian homes do, that in itself is going to be an area where noise is going to get in because you've got those subfloor vents and then a lot of the time people don't insulate their timber suspended floors or if they do insulate, it's incorrect and it can cause sweating and timber decay.
So making sure then you have things that are breathable, such as rock wall, sheep's wall, those types of things are great in that environment. So you can have that underneath your floorboards with say a netting to keep it in place.
So it keeps the breathability but then also improves the thermal efficiency and also reduces the noise pollution that comes into your property.
So if you think of the whole envelope of your home, and if you've got chimneys, for example, again, that's another way that noise can get into your property. So making sure that they're adequately capped and ventilated if you're not using them.
And if you are using them, making sure you've got proper pots and did what we call cowls on the top, which are to stop water and debris coming in. But also that helps with the noise pollution as well.
So, yeah, I think air pollution or air tightness and noise prevention or noise pollution prevention from external factors go hand in hand together. But then that's where it's so important to then make sure you've got enhancements on plants. You've got good lighting if you're then you know using curtains and things that might then be preventing natural light getting into your home.
So again, it's not a one size fits all. It's not a, oh, we're going to completely insulate this home so that it's lovely and quiet but then nothing else is affected. It's a knock-on effect to everything else in the home. So you have to look at it holistically and how that may affect the overall building.
Michelle May
And just to add my two cents to all that, because that's so that's so valuable, like looking at it from all angles. I think if you are currently in the market to purchase, I think that before you sign on the dotted line, it's really important to understand your surrounding areas as well. And I'll tell you why.
Many years ago, when I was still living in the UK, I yeah I rented this really schmick apartment in Kingston-upon-Thames in Charter Quay, and it was a new development, and it was...It looked amazing and had restaurants and it was on the river and loved it, loved it until we'd moved in and realised that the pickup for the bottle shops and the the pubs that were in the area was at the back of the building and they would be you know emptying the glass container, massive, you know the big truck containers at like 5am every morning and it was horrendous.
We cut short our lease as we couldn't wait to get out of there because there was no escaping that noise. Similarly, those modern apartments that are built like in a U or like and with a center courtyard where the noise literally can't go anywhere but bounce around. Like do your research with those as well because you could literally hear people from all the way across the other buildings because the sound just reverberates.
Jason Ratcliffe
You know what they say, location, location, location, right?
Michelle May
I'm familiar with that concept. Yes. So I think sometimes people get starry eyed and drawn in by the snazzy campaign and the styling and everything. And that's understandable. We buy with our eyes, we fall in love with the house or apartment that we buy. But I think the more research that you do upfront, look at your neighbours and the houses and what they've done, that will really work for you before you make that decision to purchase, because it's incredibly expensive to purchase. But then to get out in a short amount of time, it's going to cost you even more, it's and don't even mention the stress and that that comes with it.
So if you can do a little bit of research on how the noise is inside and outside the property, and pick up on all those things that you mentioned, Jason, forewarned is forearmed, as they say.
Jason Ratcliffe
Absolutely. I think there is that advice where if you're looking at a location, make sure you visit it at multiple times of the day, at night, in the morning, lunchtime, and also on the weekend to really understand what's going on there.
But also what I advise people as well, if you're buying a new build, do your research, not just on the location, but on the developers.
So if you have somebody who has done multiple developments before, go and suss them up, go and have a look and see what the quality is like when you've got the same development, but five years ago, how has that held up? And are there issues? Is there obvious deterioration? Is there leeching, does it look right? Maybe even if you know people around there, just ask and just say, you know, how is it living in these? Maybe don't doorknock and annoy people, but, you know, tactfully, just try and find out.
Michelle May
Why not, Jason? Why not? Just bring them some flowers. But on that note, I actually had clients who many years ago now, they had bought into a new development. Thought that this was setting them up for their first foot on the property ladder.
And they called me about a year later and like, we have to get out of here. You need to help us because they could literally hear their neighbour on the toilet, upstairs. That's how bad it is. That's terrible.
That's embarrassing, stressful. Like, I mean, what do you do? You're in an apartment. What do you do? There's nothing you can do and you think you're buying into something that's obviously been signed off on. They've paid a premium because it was new and off the plan. It's like driving a new car off the forecourt, as I always say. It immediately drops in value. Yeah, bless them. Like, it was really stressful for them. And guess what? We ended up buying into sixty s red brick. Much safer. You know it's much quieter, much less sexy. You know it's walk up no no gym no nothing but it ended up being a much better choice for them.
So on that note, Jason I want to thank you so much again for taking time out of your busy day. I know you're extremely busy with everything that you do. I wanted to point out your fabulous podcast. Where can people check you out to listen to more of your dulcet tones and listen to your expertise?
Jason Ratcliffe
So my podcast is called Heal Your Home. It's available on Spotify, Amazon, YouTube, all the general channels. Basically, it's me having conversations, nattering to myself, to the viewers, to anyone who wants to listen and also to experts in the field about all things home health basically so it's top tips and reliable information from all sorts of people it's not just me that's just to hopefully help people be able to make small changes in their home that we can all live with and to make ourselves a little bit more healthy
Michelle May
The other option is, of course, to look up Jason: https://www.homehealthexpert.co.uk
Jason Ratcliffe
And my email is hello@jason-ratcliffe.co.uk as well.
Michelle May
Now finally, I want to give props to your TikTok because this man's a bit of a TikTok star.
Has quite a few followers. I'm ashamed I didn't know that. But I'll be jumping straight onto my TikTok tonight, checking out every video that he takes when he is inspecting properties and giving you his nuggets of wisdom. So make sure to check him out.
Just look him up, Jason Racliffe. Thank you so much again, Jason. I hope to have you again soon. And if you have any questions for Jason or myself, you can obviously contact Jason Ratcliffe or email me at hello@buyyourside.com.au
Thank you for listening. If you have any questions, get in touch. And until next time, thank you.