Ep 65. Creating Healthy Spaces
In this episode, Michelle is joined by Jason Ratcliffe, The Wellbeing Surveyor and host of the Heal Your Home podcast.
Together, they dive into the hidden health risks which are being overlooked, especially in new builds, and Jason shares the five key things every buyer should be aware of when assessing a property’s true liveability.
Here’s what you’ll learn from today’s episode:
Why that fresh paint smell might be hiding something more serious
The surprising reason new homes can pose bigger risks than older ones
How building materials in your home could be affecting your health
Practical, low cost ways to create a healthier home for you and your family
The essential role of ventilation and every day cleaning products in your wellbeing
Speakers in today’s episode:
Michelle May - Michelle May Buyers Agents
Jason Ratcliffe - The Wellbeing Surveyor
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Michelle May
Hi and welcome to another episode of the Buy Your Side podcast. The property podcast to help you make smarter property buying decisions. Now, my name is Michelle May and I am a buyer's agent here in Sydney.
We mostly buy residential properties for our clients, for owner occupiers and investors. And if you've been listening to the podcast for a while, you'll know that I love learning more about the whole property industry and just property in general. And so recently I had a wonderful conversation with a mould expert who talked to us through all the risks of having mould in your house, and that really got me onto a journey of trying to understand what other risk factors do we actually have in our home that you may or may not be aware of?
That's when I stumbled across Jason Ratcliffe. Now, Jason Ratcliffe is a Wellbeing Surveyor and is an expert in understanding the risk factors in your home. He even has an amazing podcast called Heal Your Home. There you go. And I'm very lucky to have him on the podcast today. Hi, Jason. How are you?
Jason Ratcliffe
I am great, Michelle. How are you?
Michelle May
Good, good. We were just talking before, very rainy here in Sydney. It's been raining for weeks, but the sun is shining where you are. Fantastic.
Jason Ratcliffe
I know, I know. Out the back, you can't beat it. Yep, down here, all the way down the bottom of Cornwall in England. Fantastic. Yeah, absolutely.
Michelle May
A beautiful part of the world, actually. Stunning.
Jason Ratcliffe
It's my hideaway from the chaos of my day-to-day life around the country.
Michelle May
Yes. So listen, before we delve into your area of expertise, how did you actually come to becoming The Wellbeing Surveyor? And run us through what a surveyor does in the UK, because it's slightly different here in Australia.
Jason Ratcliffe
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's a great question. So they go hand in hand, actually. So I'm a Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors, Surveyor. And I'm also a fellow of the Royal Society of Public Health.
So my kind of surveyor role, I suppose, is ensuring that people who are buying homes are secure, are safe to buy those homes and making sure that there's no nasties lurking in that property from a health and safety perspective, or a market value perspective that's going to really sting them afterwards. Because unfortunately, I also deal with the other end of expert witness where people think they don't need a survey and they may take a friend or a family member around and they kind of give them the green light. They go in overconfident, which is great, confidence is always good. But then unfortunately, as it unravels or they try and sell their home or remortgage, things crop up. And then it's kind of then more expensive to undo the damage and try and get some remediation rather than actually just identifying for a few hundred pounds actually what's wrong with it.
Jason Ratcliffe
So, as a surveyor, it's very much going around and methodically looking at properties from the roof, all the way down to the footings and the drains and the grounds and just seeing if there's anything there that's of concern for the buyer really. And just being that mediation between the buyer and the owner because I think it's important not to just be there and just kind of slate a property and go, oh, there we go. You know, can you buy it? It's more than kind of having that human element to go, actually, well, how are we going to resolve this? Can it be resolved? Is it something that can be worked out within the sale? So that's really where I spend most of my time.
But leading on from that, really, why did I become a Well-being Surveyor? Because I've been going around a lot of houses and homes throughout England and the same things kept cropping up. So there were symptoms such as coughing and asthma and fatigue, depression, anxiety, all these things that don't even necessarily link together. And they seem to always have the same patterns in homes. So they would have poor lighting, for example, there would be noise pollution, there might be certain types of chemicals and products that somebody's using, or there might be mould and damp. So there were set symptoms or set causes, and they seem to relate to the symptoms. So it really got me thinking, well why is nobody doing anything about this? There obviously are elements across the globe of kind of health conscious and building acts and things like that that go to a limit, but the problem is then those people go to medical professionals, and those medical professionals normally are trained to deal with the symptoms and not the cause. So if you go in with a wheeze, a cough, they will necessarily say, okay, go down the diagnosis of having asthma, and then they will give you an asthma nurse, whereas it may not necessarily be the first step. So that really got me into it.
And then when I was just digging and finding that there weren't any solutions for these people, I decided to create my podcast initially, Heal Your Home, because a lot of people out there can't necessarily afford individual professional services. So it was very much a way to provide a quality and a bit of assurance for people and a signpost and to say, look, here's some free advice and hopefully that helps. And it was great. And it's now I've gone from having somebody down the road from me all the way to Canada and New Zealand and all of these amazing places where people are now coming on and interviewing and questions are being asked. And it is an amazing feeling. So, it then kind of went off from there and then The Wellbeing Surveyor was born, so it's it's all around just raising awareness of just thinking about the synergy between the buildings, and it doesn’t matter whether it's your home, your office, whether it's your school, and actually how that may affect your health. But it doesn't always have to be in a bad way. There's a lot of good as well. And that's what we want to try and portray and get across is saying, OK, well, how can we make these buildings not just kind of health neutral, but actually be able to re-energize us and do positive things for us? Because since COVID, you know, I suppose, indoor and working and living has gone from about 70% for a lot of people to about 90% of our time. And so if you think of being in that environment for that huge amount of time is crazy, and, you know, it's so important to then make sure that it's safe for you and your family. So that's kind of, you know, how I got into it, really.
Michelle May
That's an amazing story, actually. You can really tell that you're passionate about this, which is like, I'm on the other side of the fence, being a Buyers Agent. but that's exactly why I do this podcast too, just to spread our knowledge for free, right?
Jason Ratcliffe
Absolutely.
Michelle May
So it's interesting that you say that, you know, you're home, like we're spending so much more time in it, more than ever before, I would say. I would definitely agree with that. And you're just going about your day, or you may have a sniff, you may have a cold, but you don't really think about, oh, actually, could be my environment. So now you've started, you've been doing this podcast for quite a while now, and you've got these snappy episodes, like, you know, four top tips to fight black mould.
Michelle May
Excellent episode, by the way. Or what is a damp proof course.
Jason Ratcliffe
Thank you. So, you know, there's lots of really snappy information which people can just absorb and just put into practice in their own places. But with that in mind, what would you say the top three, top five things are that homeowners or people going into the office may not be aware of that really they should be checking or should be looking at as a possible cause for their ill health or a way to improve it rather?
Jason Ratcliffe
Yeah, I think that the first thing, whenever you go into a new property, I think the smell of fresh paint is something, especially in England, which does…
Michelle May
Haha! I am very familiar with that, yes.
Jason Ratcliffe
Yeah, it does it raises it raises concerns. Now, we all hope that it is just a lovely homeowner or developer that has decided to actually just make it look fresh for the new buyer. But there is always a risk of concealment of damp, of mould, of defects, also fixtures and fittings. If there's kind of big, I suppose, wardrobes in places where they're not necessarily, they don't look right within those set places, you know, they may be concealing structural defects, for example. So it's just kind of being aware of things. And a lot of the things, it's about common sense, really. I think, you know, trust your judgment and go into a property and if something doesn't feel right, it may not be. But the issue is, that obviously everybody is, I suppose, a victim of it, is people fall in love. When they're buying a home, people fall in love with it. And then you can overlook these issues, which actually then may cause a lot more kind of knock on effects down the line.
So I think the main things when you're looking around a property, just kind of that quick, quick scanning your eye over it from a non-professional perspective. Are there any areas that have recently been repaired? If so, you need to know why they've been repaired. They may just be maintenance to the property or there may be an ongoing issue that somebody is trying to essentially just put a plaster over. And go, yeah, that's fine. The roof is not leaking, honestly. And the age of the property is important as well, because when you're looking at these things, because that dreaded word asbestos, if the property predates 1990, then typically always assume there's a risk of asbestos within that property.
Now, it's not necessarily something that is doom and gloom or something to just run away from, but it's important to know what your goals are, because if you're then going into that property looking to renovate or remove a kitchen or change ceilings, so anything that disturbs that material, then it's that additional cost of going, OK, I need to bear in mind that I probably should get an asbestos or a licensed asbestos professional in to make sure that I understand what's going on here. I think that's really important. But as well as that, small little things like extractor fans in bathrooms and extractor hoods in kitchens, ventilation within properties, whether that's mechanical ventilation through heat recovery systems, for example, air conditioning. It's then just making sure that they're there, for example, and that they are competent and capable of dealing with whatever they are designed to do. So whether that's extracting condensation from a property or cycling and filtering air to make sure that it is safe and removes those pollutants from the air, especially within places like Sydney, obviously where you have the airport and things like that. There's a lot more VOCs in the air and small PM 2.5 and 10 particles, which are the tiny little particles which can get into our bloodstream and cause all sorts of things like cancers and nasties. But it's then just important to go, okay well, is that home equipped to deal with those issues? And if it's not, that's not necessarily something which should put you off, but it's something you should be aware of to then say, OK, what do I need to do to make this home safe?
Michelle May
And it's not necessarily the case that if you buy a new house or a new apartment that you're thinking, okay, well, it's new or you know it’s less than 20 years old. Everything's going to be a-okay, right? I mean, what are your thoughts on that?
Jason Ratcliffe
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, no, absolutely, Michelle is exactly right. I think new builds are almost worse than older properties in a way because you have this false misconception, and I suppose a false confidence that because a property is modern and everything should be up to code and should be safe, that is absolutely fine and there should be some form of protection there for you.
However, this is where a lot of people and a lot of my clients end up coming unstuck because they then go through that process of going, this isn't right from a, whether it's a structural perspective where you have structural deficiencies and all of a sudden your your timber frame is warping because the window installer hasn't, you know, done the correct specifications, but covered it up before any building offices could go around. And then from all intents and purposes, it looks lovely and new from the outside and give it a year and they're all warped and all the windows need to be changed.
So it's really important to then understand what protections you have in place for that. But then digging deeper as well into new builds, and a lot of the paints, the materials, and because everybody's on a budget, right? It's exactly the same with developers and the cheaper options are the ones that are, I suppose, not unsafe but less safe.
So when we're looking at how these materials can affect us, it's not necessarily the materials directly, it's the gas that they emit into the air. So these are called volatile organic compounds. And these are things like Formaldehyde, which is one of the common or most common VOCs. And this is what then gets released from these materials. So we'll take paint, for example. You then have a lovely freshly painted property, which is then obviously then releasing all of those pollutants into the air. And if you had an air quality meter, most of the time, I would say nine times out of 10, if I then go into a property and check it for an air quality assessment, They are medium to high levels of VOCs, when we're looking at the air quality index as well.
All of these sort of ranges and parameters of metrics, with most of the time they are actually within that risk factor. And the thing is, we end up saying, okay, there is some, again, limited, but some guidance and regulations around that in the sense they say, well, you should ventilate the property. Well, okay. But what happens if you have somebody who's a child or who is already asthmatic or classed as vulnerable going into those homes? And especially within the UK, we have help to buy schemes. So that means you need a lower deposit. So naturally, the new family, the one that's just got a newborn baby, they're the people that it attracts because obviously money can be tighter and it's a nice way to get on the property ladder.
But then once you look at those types of people going into those homes, then it's increasing the risk of those newborns and young children actually then being exposed to these levels of emissions and VOCs, et cetera. And actually, then you're increasing the risk of them getting asthma and infections and lung kind of disorders and all sorts of things going through their life.
So then you're then not only as a family, but as a nation, as a country, you're then draining that medical kind of that the supplies and obviously that the the medical provisions within that country, because you know If you've got a huge generation that all suddenly start having asthma and all sorts of different issues and fatigue and depression and everything else, you know it's then going to be, well, okay, your child is also going to be getting sick more often.
So therefore, one of the parents is going to have to take more time out of work. So that disrupts the economy. So it's way bigger than just going, oh, okay, what paint should we use?
Michelle May
Yeah this is huge Jason, you've just actually just really hit on something here because we've just had an election here right, we have the new but the same prime minister albanese and so both sides of the equation liberal and labor you know the conservative and labor were vying for people's vote, decrease what they call here stamp duty, 5% deposit schemes, all this kind of stuff. At the same time, we have a huge housing shortage, a housing supply shortage. And so,, both parties were saying, well, we're promising to build all these new properties within the next couple of years, right? Like hundreds of thousands of properties are needed. And given, especially since COVID, given the cost of raw materials, given the cost of tradies, the lack of tradies, and also since the privatization of certification, which I've spoken on the podcast about before, since 2000 councils gave that away to private certifiers. So builders and developers are now paying for their certification but with a private company. So you can just see the massive conflict of interest right there.
The economies, like the you know the actual profit margins for builders and developers are are hardly there anymore. Builders are going bust in this country, left, right and center. And here you are telling me that exactly what's going to be happening here, or is already happening here, that the people with the most amount to lose are going to be ending up in those types of properties. I mean, we as a buyers agency, as a rule, do not buy anything less than five years old, because we need to see that build history, we need to see how it's been maintained and settled. And yet, here are thousands of people going to be taking a punt on something brand new off the plan thinking, we're going to be safe, it's all going to be safe as houses, you know, but it's not.
And another point that you made about the ventilation thing, okay, yeah, you've got the VOCs in the air, let's ventilate. But these new properties are better insulated than all these other Victorian Federation art deco properties, right? Where you just literally feel the wind whistling through the window, so to speak. But the new properties, they may have double glazing, they have proper insulation, so they're almost hermetically sealed. So if you literally don't open a window, that air is getting stale inside the property. My parents, for example, in the Netherlands, in the early 2000s, bought a property off the plan. And we spoke about this before, where my parents literally complained of headaches like for a couple of years straight. And they never used to have headaches, and I just didn't know where it was coming from. But the moment that you mentioned the emission of the build materials, I was like, oh my gosh, that's what it was. And they had their windows open all the time. They're these crazy Dutch people who even when it's minus five, they sleep with the windows open, you know? So that's a lot. You just actually really blew my mind.
So ventilation is one. So you end up with a new property, right? You're worried about your air quality. You have a test done. Ventilation. Are there other things that you can do? Please tell me there are.
Jason Ratcliffe
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the main thing as well, if we're looking down new builds that are already built and obviously we're not able to change this for some time yet. So on the hypothetical basis, that's, you know, most houses that are new builds are going to have this issue. You'll be looking at, I mean, the thing is, is looking at potentially sealing areas of the property, which are allowing those to… so for example, if you have VOC or or virtually VOC-free paints, that potentially then can conceal the other kind of harmful areas of the property. You could then look at kind of redecorating with those, which then helps kind of encapsulate VOCs.
Michelle May
Putting it on top of the old paint.
Jason Ratcliffe
Absolutely. Yeah. So because otherwise you'll be looking at things like paint strippers and stuff like that, which again is intrusive. It could invalidate any kind of potential warranties and also, you know, it can be as harmful or even more harmful if done incorrectly than kind of just leaving it alone. So on the back of the paint tins, they'll have, or you can even and put it into a search engine, you can have VOC-free or low VOC paints. They are specific grading criteria that they have to go through.
These are not guaranteed to be completely POC free, bearing in mind, but when we're looking at what's available on the market right now, that's kind of the best option we have. I am looking at going through my own kind of, I suppose, audit and ISO approved. So ISO is a standard, it's kind of a universal standard to make sure whatever you do is acceptable and that the data you receive from that is accurate. So I'm looking to actually then do my own testing on these VOC-free or the products that claim to be, and actually then rank them properly in actually how harmful they are to you if they're applied. So that will hopefully give some more guidance actually to which paints, which products manufacturers may actually be the best. So that is another alternative.
And also it's about the time scale of things, because if you've got things like PIR insulation in your home, which is normally so like Sellatex, Kingspan, the rigid foam boards, that's a pretty common construction method for insulating a home because it doesn't need skilled labor.
You essentially just put these boards in, tape them up and away you go. And they're amazing at thermal insulation and because they're the most universally used insulation on the market, they are relatively inexpensive. So, you know, it ticks those boxes for developers. Now, the issue you have is they are one of the top products that you have in your home that will release these harmful VOCs, etc. Again, as you say, it's a really good point. These kind of passive homes and air tightness is becoming really important with these new homes, which then accelerates these toxins and pollutants that are going to be accumulating within the home. So making sure that the natural ventilation is there, but also that the mechanical ventilation is adequate enough.
There are regulations around this and it's really important to make sure that you're getting filters that are able to properly filter out those pollutants and particles in the air because even if you don't live somewhere where you have external obvious air pollution, your home is so volatile in the sense of what products that are in it. So that's something that is really important to understand. But it also depends on your location as well, because what you can do is use a combination of dehumidifiers and humidifiers depending on where you are and depending on whether you have too much moisture in the air or not enough because dry air can cause a lot of coughs and health issues as well. So then using a humidifier can actually then increase that level of moisture, which can then help relax the lungs. Then vice versa, if you're somewhere where it can be quite damp, especially coastal locations, then using dehumidifiers reasonably, one can help regulate that moisture in the air, but also helps filter the air. So actually it becomes an air filtration system in itself.
So it's these types of things that are so important. But yeah, I mean, when you move into a property as well, occupant behavior and the choice of product you use is so important. So if you end up, for example, using bleach and harsh chemical cleaning products, they are almost as bad as the microtoxins that come out of black spot mould, for example. So if you go, oh, I just bleached my house and it's lovely and clean. Well, actually, that could be causing a huge amount of damage to you and your family. I've been in homes where they've done exactly that and you just come out and you're going, oh my God, you're wheezing and just from 10 minutes of being in there. So living in that environment is insanely not good for you.
So making sure that you're careful with the products you bring in your home and make sure that they are safe. And things like treating black spot mould, the old age remedy works the best. You know white vinegar works the best, because it's got the acidity to break down and kill the mould. It doesn't smell nice. I'm not going to lie. You do need to ventilate. But it doesn't then release those residual chemicals and toxins like if you've got those harsh mould killing, those mould repellents and things like that. So again, that's another kind of issue where people treat mould with the incorrect chemicals and treatments because again, that can cause a lot of issues.
So it's really then just saying, okay, well, ventilation is important. Mechanical filtration of the air is really important. The amount of moisture level within the air is also important. And then what you're bringing into your home, so all of the types of chemicals and products, etc. But then leading on to the fifth topic is about looking at the way you and your family behave within that property. Because that has a huge impact, even if you have a home which you know has all the right materials and all the right ventilation and everything's lovely and safe you know If you're not using it correctly, you are going to potentially put yourself into a position of danger.
So the prime ones are showers, for example. And en-suites. So en-suites obviously are off of bedrooms and people may say, oh,I don't put the extractor fan on because it's too noisy. And then I'm going to bed and it's an inconvenience. And then they don't open the windows, for example, and they'll just leave their en-suite door open, and go to bed in an unventilated room. So all of that condensation steam is then going to travel into the bedroom. They are then going to sleep, and within that six to ten hours of a normal kind of sleep cycle, the amount you're exhaling is a lot of moisture. So that then adds to the problem, which is then why you end up with a lot of condensation and thus black spot mould around the connections to windows and walls and also the ceilings and walls as well. So that's why bedrooms can be quite a significant issue.
Michelle May
Yeah. And also, you know, just like, cleaning and tidying, right? I mean, the amount of dust. Like, I have a zoo here, right? I have two teenagers, two cats and a dog. So, I vacuum every day. And I have one of those Dysons, right? I mean, I nearly had to cry when I bought it because it was so expensive. But now I can't live without it because it's got one of those see-through canisters that you can just empty in the bin and so you can see exactly what you've sucked up it's very satisfying actually and so every day vacuum in this house from top to bottom you know and you can't believe the amount of crap is in there every single day. So, i mean, you know also that it can, i mean you're the expert here i'm just making this up as i go along, but i imagine that the dust has an impact. Like, I mean, you know, people who are allergic to dust mites and what have you, you know, allergic to dogs and cats and, but just dust itself.
How do you feel about carpets in bedrooms? I know in the UK you're in, you know, it's much colder than here, but how do you feel about carpets in bedrooms?
Jason Ratcliffe
Yeah, I mean, the whole question really is carpets. I personally like carpets. So I like, unless you have underfloor heating, I do not like cold feet.
Michelle May
Yeah. That's what we have Uggs for here in Australia.
Jason Ratcliffe
But then from a high hygienic and a well-being perspective, you know, easy to clean hard floors are obviously the way to go. So ones without grooves in, without kind of significant texture, stuff like that. But also you can limit it. So, you know, if you have hardwood floors, for example, you could then put a rug over that floor. It then obviously still gives you that kind of middle ground of what I like, kind of those home comforts, but as well, it's easier to clean. You could take it outside and give it a beat and, you know, get that gear and give it a hoover outside as well. So then it takes all of that to that kind of all the dust and the pollutants out of the house. But like you've just said, you've got pets in your home as well.
So this is something which is a big topic, which people don't really necessarily know is such a big deal. So foreign contaminants and external pollutants are such a big deal. So if you go and take your dog for a walk, for example, and he goes running around fields, and then comes in, you know, you've got pollen, you've got all sorts of different kind of dirt, different bacteria, viruses, everything coming into your home. So it's really important then to, if you can, to have maybe an external hose, shower, or a porch, which is specifically so that you can kind of rub them down, make sure that, you know, they don't have to be sparkling clean, but at least that they, you know, are clean enough to reduce the amount coming into your home. And the hoovering is a fantastic kind of way to go because if you've got things like HIPAA vacuums, which are kind of clinically, well, clinically, sorry, more kind of what we're going on about kind of decent filtration systems and and vacuums, It then gets those kind of pollutants out of the air. It helps really get those dust particles as well. Because dust is a huge issue. It's almost as bad as allergies to pollen. And it's exactly the same type of symptoms. So you still get snuffly, you'll get your throat, everything like that. People may think it's pollen, but it may be a dust allergy.
So again, natural ventilation, you know, there's this method of what's called shock therapy where it's kind of 10 to 20 minutes a day of just opening all the windows and doors and just allowing that air to come through and that replacement of that stale air also has a great impact on dust so that it can't settle. It then gets extracted from the property. So yeah, the best way you can do that is just keeping on top of cleaning, hoovering, making sure that your pets are as possible controlled coming in and out of the property. Obviously, it's not as easy as just saying that and keeping that kind of shock therapy, 10 to 20 minutes of natural airflow, and that would really help.
And you've then got things, like when you were saying about clutter, clutter is a really, really big issue for many different reasons. So one, obviously, from a general health and safety. Now, a lot of people put things on the stairs so that somebody can take them up when they're going up, etc. It's a huge trip hazard. And there's a lot of people that end up falling down the stairs because of it. And so it's advised to kind of keep those areas clear and also clutter from a mental health perspective and an energy perspective you know it makes you feel uncomfortable and uneasy and potentially anxious and also it could it makes you kind of feel, well have i got my life together in a way i know that's a bit dramatic but you know these small things if you're if you're already tired exhausted etc and then you're looking at clutter you go oh god am i actually kind of doing what i need to be doing.
Michelle May
It's kind of like making your bed every morning, right?
Jason Ratcliffe
Exactly, making your bed in the morning, opening the curtains you know doing the laundry for example, it's all of those things but then yes it can then obviously trap dust i mean a lot of the time the smallest if you're highly sensitive to these things if you've got an area of your sitting room or your bedroom for example that you never clean, that you don't move the sofa out and you clean behind it.
You know, 90% of people, it won't even bother because something so trivial, you know, you'll find you go about your day to day life and you'll think, oh, that's gross. I'll probably do that at some point. But there are those people that it will affect and you know it will make you really wheezy and give you all these symptoms. And the rest of your house may be completely clean. You may be doing all these extra things, ventilating, using all these products.
And I still am feeling like this. And it might be something as small as just that sofa that you happen to be on or under your bed and things like that. So yeah, it's the small things that can make a massive difference.
Michelle May
Yeah, absolutely. See, I told you that Jason was full of wisdom. I know Jason and I could talk till the cows come home, but I am so appreciative of you coming on the podcast today. Your podcast, Heal Your Home, I think is a must go to podcast.
If you want to know more about living healthily in your home, what you can do about it, the things that you never even knew you needed to know. Heal Your Home by Jason Ratcliffe is where you need to go. It's available on all the places where you can find the podcasts. Now, if you also want to learn more about The Wellbeing Surveyor, where's the best place for them to go Jason?
Jason Ratcliffe
Yeah, absolutely. So it's jason-ratcliffe.co.uk. And yeah, everything's there. Social media, so TikTok, LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram - all of the normal social medias. I'm open to having conversations and helping anybody that I can.
Michelle May
And we also have, Jason has very kindly put together a checklist for a healthier home. So if you want a copy of that checklist, which trust me, you won't want to be without it, drop us a line at hello@buyyourside.com.au or reach out to Jason Ratcliffe directly on the podcast, Heal Your Home, or The Wellbeing Surveyor, or on all the social media.
We'll tag everything here in the podcast, and also when we obviously promote it on our socials. So if you want a copy of that, you know that checklist on how to create a healthier home that Jason's put together for you, just get in touch, and we'll give you a copy.
Thank you so much, Jason. It's been such a pleasure having you on. I've learned so much from you and I'm certainly going to keep continuing to listen to your podcast and hopefully you'll come back another time so we can discuss some more of the ways we can improve our homes and the way we live.
Jason Ratcliffe
Thank you, Michelle. That's amazing.
Michelle May
Thank you. Now, thank you for listening, of course, as always. Like I mentioned before, if you want to get in touch for the free guide, hit me up on hello@buyyourside.com.au or otherwise, you know, reach out on the socials. Always happy to hear from you. If you have any questions, if you want to know more about, you know, how to buy smart or anything property buying related, just drop me a line and maybe we can do an episode on that.
Thank you again and thanks for listening.